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		<title>By: Esteban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esteban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Por que no llevan al compatriota vuestro a ser juzgado a Irak?
Porque saben que será encontrado culpable. Prueben si se animan.</description>
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Porque saben que será encontrado culpable. Prueben si se animan.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So do the 24 who were killed get glossy photo articles on them? Y&#039;know - the unarmed kids and women in the houses that didn&#039;t fire a shot as this team went on a rampage. Where are their life stories? The pictures they drew, toys they made, the music *they* like and the songs they sung with their parents. They didn&#039;t choose to go to war either, let alone be armed to the teeth and storm houses. Kids, dammit! Like the one on Wuterich&#039;s lap!! Where is the mention of them?? Or is it because they weren&#039;t American, so they weren&#039;t real? So we are meant to feel sorry for Wuterich who actually stated &quot;shoot first, ask questions later&quot; because he was distressed, but the women and children who saw each other blown away in helpless horror as they realised suddenly that everything they worked for and loved was being destroyed by angry foreign soldiers who would probably never face justice. And now we are meant to look into Wuterich&#039;s teary eyes as he holds his guitar and think this guy was hard done by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So do the 24 who were killed get glossy photo articles on them? Y&#8217;know &#8211; the unarmed kids and women in the houses that didn&#8217;t fire a shot as this team went on a rampage. Where are their life stories? The pictures they drew, toys they made, the music *they* like and the songs they sung with their parents. They didn&#8217;t choose to go to war either, let alone be armed to the teeth and storm houses. Kids, dammit! Like the one on Wuterich&#8217;s lap!! Where is the mention of them?? Or is it because they weren&#8217;t American, so they weren&#8217;t real? So we are meant to feel sorry for Wuterich who actually stated &#8220;shoot first, ask questions later&#8221; because he was distressed, but the women and children who saw each other blown away in helpless horror as they realised suddenly that everything they worked for and loved was being destroyed by angry foreign soldiers who would probably never face justice. And now we are meant to look into Wuterich&#8217;s teary eyes as he holds his guitar and think this guy was hard done by.</p>
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		<title>By: The latest on the last Haditha Marine Trial: Ssgt Frank Wuterich &#124; Marinka Peschmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>The latest on the last Haditha Marine Trial: Ssgt Frank Wuterich &#124; Marinka Peschmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 12:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Photo credit: Max S. Gerber [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Haditha Marines: Presumed guilty, so far found innocent. SSgt Frank D. Wuterich trial begins today &#124; Marinka Peschmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haditha Marines: Presumed guilty, so far found innocent. SSgt Frank D. Wuterich trial begins today &#124; Marinka Peschmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Photo credit: Max S. Gerber [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Elena Arellano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elena Arellano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In following the news reports their is confirmation that they were taking on enemy fire, why are the insurgents never to blame for luring our soldiers into places occupied by civilians usually women, children and elders.  They fire their weapons and run leaving civilians defenseless knowing that the protocol of the soldiers was to bust the doors down, throw a grenade and fire..., where is the outrage towards insurgents cowardliness and lack of respect for human life.  Then the blame is on the soldiers for killing defenseless, unarmed women and children.  There was a cause and that was the effect.  In this country if you lure someone to commit a crime or cause a death you are responsible so why are we not pointing the finger at the Insurgents?  This is a political lynching it has been five and half years millions of dollars have been spent on trying to drum up evidence to convict SSgt. Wuterich, there is none, he followed the rules of engagement, he is a good marine.  Time Magazine retracted the story in the back pages not on the front page headlines. How does Tim McGirk then get promoted to Bureau Chief in Jerusalem? Oh yeah...it&#039;s about selling magazines...not about the truth...ruining lives...who cares...just sell stories even if they are not true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In following the news reports their is confirmation that they were taking on enemy fire, why are the insurgents never to blame for luring our soldiers into places occupied by civilians usually women, children and elders.  They fire their weapons and run leaving civilians defenseless knowing that the protocol of the soldiers was to bust the doors down, throw a grenade and fire&#8230;, where is the outrage towards insurgents cowardliness and lack of respect for human life.  Then the blame is on the soldiers for killing defenseless, unarmed women and children.  There was a cause and that was the effect.  In this country if you lure someone to commit a crime or cause a death you are responsible so why are we not pointing the finger at the Insurgents?  This is a political lynching it has been five and half years millions of dollars have been spent on trying to drum up evidence to convict SSgt. Wuterich, there is none, he followed the rules of engagement, he is a good marine.  Time Magazine retracted the story in the back pages not on the front page headlines. How does Tim McGirk then get promoted to Bureau Chief in Jerusalem? Oh yeah&#8230;it&#8217;s about selling magazines&#8230;not about the truth&#8230;ruining lives&#8230;who cares&#8230;just sell stories even if they are not true.</p>
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		<title>By: GG</title>
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		<dc:creator>GG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mai Lai Massacre comes to mind.....as does William Calley, he got off with 3 yrs under house arrest.   I guess we have to wait and see the out come of this trial......How do you sleep Mr Wuterich?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mai Lai Massacre comes to mind&#8230;..as does William Calley, he got off with 3 yrs under house arrest.   I guess we have to wait and see the out come of this trial&#8230;&#8230;How do you sleep Mr Wuterich?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5. Dee, &quot;Your right, give this man a fair trial. And how about we give the hundreds or men who are detained in Guantanamo prison a fair trial to prove their innocence?&quot; Grammatical errors notwithstanding, the Guantanamo detainees/enemy combatants are not the issue here. SSG Wuterich and his actions in Haditha are.
&quot;He probably killed fathers, mothers and innocent children as young as his daughter. He is a murderer.&quot; Who the heck are you to say that? You say to give him a fair trial, but if you were on his jury, I believe that we all know which way you would vote. You say give him a fair trial, but your very next paragraph says that you think he is guilty. How can it be a fair trial when people like you will be satisfied with nothing less than his conviction, actual evidence be damned?
As far as the Guantanamo detainees are concerned, they do not get to have a &quot;fair trial.&quot; They are essentially POWs (except that they cannot be legally called that because an official declaration of war is impossible) and POWs do not receive any &quot;trial&quot; rights under the Geneva convention.
And before anyone starts getting upset about &quot;inhumane&quot; treatment of anyone at G-bay, let us look at the other side of the coin. What has happened to the last dozen or so civilians &quot;captured&quot; (read: kidnapped) by the &quot;other side.&quot; Sham trials, forced readings, torture (actual torture, not sleep deprivation and leaving the lights on at night), and beheadings are the norm. To be sure, the &quot;other side&quot; has not signed the Geneva convention and as such, has no obligation to follow it. However, I think we can all agree that being held in Guantanamo Bay for an indeterminate amount of time is preferably to having your head cut off on an internet video. That said, there is no real comparison here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5. Dee, &#8220;Your right, give this man a fair trial. And how about we give the hundreds or men who are detained in Guantanamo prison a fair trial to prove their innocence?&#8221; Grammatical errors notwithstanding, the Guantanamo detainees/enemy combatants are not the issue here. SSG Wuterich and his actions in Haditha are.<br />
&#8220;He probably killed fathers, mothers and innocent children as young as his daughter. He is a murderer.&#8221; Who the heck are you to say that? You say to give him a fair trial, but if you were on his jury, I believe that we all know which way you would vote. You say give him a fair trial, but your very next paragraph says that you think he is guilty. How can it be a fair trial when people like you will be satisfied with nothing less than his conviction, actual evidence be damned?<br />
As far as the Guantanamo detainees are concerned, they do not get to have a &#8220;fair trial.&#8221; They are essentially POWs (except that they cannot be legally called that because an official declaration of war is impossible) and POWs do not receive any &#8220;trial&#8221; rights under the Geneva convention.<br />
And before anyone starts getting upset about &#8220;inhumane&#8221; treatment of anyone at G-bay, let us look at the other side of the coin. What has happened to the last dozen or so civilians &#8220;captured&#8221; (read: kidnapped) by the &#8220;other side.&#8221; Sham trials, forced readings, torture (actual torture, not sleep deprivation and leaving the lights on at night), and beheadings are the norm. To be sure, the &#8220;other side&#8221; has not signed the Geneva convention and as such, has no obligation to follow it. However, I think we can all agree that being held in Guantanamo Bay for an indeterminate amount of time is preferably to having your head cut off on an internet video. That said, there is no real comparison here.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4. Alex, &quot;Unfortunately in war there are losses of control. I think this is what has happened here.&quot; Again, how in the world would you know that? Based on biased media reporting? C&#039;mon
&quot;Give this man a fair [trial].&quot; You seem like an objective viewer, and yet you seem ready to rush to judgment. &quot;Innocent until proven guilty.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4. Alex, &#8220;Unfortunately in war there are losses of control. I think this is what has happened here.&#8221; Again, how in the world would you know that? Based on biased media reporting? C&#8217;mon<br />
&#8220;Give this man a fair [trial].&#8221; You seem like an objective viewer, and yet you seem ready to rush to judgment. &#8220;Innocent until proven guilty.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3. Oscar Alvarez is the one person on here who did NOT shock me with anything he said, as I agree with him 100%. Kudos to you.
So I will take a bit of space to expound on one particular point. SSG Wuterich MAY be guilty, and if so, he should be crushed. BUT AS OF THIS POINT, he is NOT, and should be treated as such. &quot;Rep.&quot; John Murtha is a horrible man, and his remarks are seditious at best. But SSG Wuterich is innocent (as of this writing) and any rush to judgment should bring shame on those doing the judging. 
There is also the issue of those who have never been in combat &quot;Monday-morning-quarterbacking&quot; those who HAVE been in combat, but this is not the issue as of this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3. Oscar Alvarez is the one person on here who did NOT shock me with anything he said, as I agree with him 100%. Kudos to you.<br />
So I will take a bit of space to expound on one particular point. SSG Wuterich MAY be guilty, and if so, he should be crushed. BUT AS OF THIS POINT, he is NOT, and should be treated as such. &#8220;Rep.&#8221; John Murtha is a horrible man, and his remarks are seditious at best. But SSG Wuterich is innocent (as of this writing) and any rush to judgment should bring shame on those doing the judging.<br />
There is also the issue of those who have never been in combat &#8220;Monday-morning-quarterbacking&#8221; those who HAVE been in combat, but this is not the issue as of this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2. Alexis Davis, &quot;I think your photos do a great job of masking the monster that this man really is.&quot; Wow, how in the world would you possibly know that? How can you make that assumption? What is wrong with you? You are either hastily assuming that he is guilty or you blindly believe information that other people spoon-feed you. Do you realize that he has not been convicted of ANYTHING? He is a normal human being and should be treated as such. &quot;Innocent until proven guilty&quot; must not be in your lexicon.
&quot;Iraq did not make this man a cold blooded evil killer. He did that all on his own !&quot; I beg to differ. &quot;Iraq&quot; did not make him ANYTHING, and he did not become a cold blooded evil killer at all, because he is still innocent as of this writing.
You should be ashamed of yourself, alexis. Perhaps, one day, you will be accused of a high-profile crime of which you are (theoretically) innocent, and the media will rush to judge you, and then on that day, would will finally understand the gravity of your words on this page.
However, from your ignorant, assuming, and judgmental post, I am guessing that you will never even remember that you wrote this.
Sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2. Alexis Davis, &#8220;I think your photos do a great job of masking the monster that this man really is.&#8221; Wow, how in the world would you possibly know that? How can you make that assumption? What is wrong with you? You are either hastily assuming that he is guilty or you blindly believe information that other people spoon-feed you. Do you realize that he has not been convicted of ANYTHING? He is a normal human being and should be treated as such. &#8220;Innocent until proven guilty&#8221; must not be in your lexicon.<br />
&#8220;Iraq did not make this man a cold blooded evil killer. He did that all on his own !&#8221; I beg to differ. &#8220;Iraq&#8221; did not make him ANYTHING, and he did not become a cold blooded evil killer at all, because he is still innocent as of this writing.<br />
You should be ashamed of yourself, alexis. Perhaps, one day, you will be accused of a high-profile crime of which you are (theoretically) innocent, and the media will rush to judge you, and then on that day, would will finally understand the gravity of your words on this page.<br />
However, from your ignorant, assuming, and judgmental post, I am guessing that you will never even remember that you wrote this.<br />
Sad.</p>
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